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Are we seeing censoring on the Oxwall Forum? | Forum

Chris_W
Chris_W Jan 11
The topic  Oxwall Unofficial Collaboration for Updates @ https://developers.oxwall.com/forum/topic/66128 has gone missing. Was this deleted by the OP, or was it deleted by admin?
Patricia Zorrilla Leader

My theme https://developers.oxwall.com/forum/topic/66160 has also disappeared.

I do not understand, if we are 3 developers and 20 OxWall users. 

Chris_W
Chris_W Jan 11
It's definitely not a good sign if posts are being deleted without the courtesy of an explanation. 
AppXprt
AppXprt Jan 11
Very Frustrating, because they won't pull in any public commits and have made them all private on Oxwall Github...


I've done some good things for this community, but I take blame for them making all updates private from the release of OxUpdater, because it was able to pull commits straight from GitHub.

The Forum post is edited by AppXprt Jan 11
Chris_W
Chris_W Jan 12
It's not your fault they rebelled against people wanting to keep Oxwall going after they abandoned it. Creating a platform getting people to use and rely on that platform, and then not only abandoning, but stifling anyone else's efforts to support it is just wrong. Basically it seems all they did was use the Oxwall community as Beta testers.
AppXprt
AppXprt Jan 12
Well, I would still like to actually update Oxwall at least for security issues, can we all please help each other?


There are CSRF Exploits that have been known for 3 years now as well as a couple XSS vulns and I would like to see ow_userfiles protected for each user individually where only they can access their own directory.


I would also like to patch the Error Handler so it reports errors correctly when under PHP 7.


Technically if anyone wants to help, I can provide the code for Filesystem / SQL Backups, GitHub Updates, PWA / Hosted Hybrid Apps, VAPID Push Notifications with a mass sender and a Push Subscription system, but I would like to include all of this after security updates. 


https://developers.oxwall.com/forum/topic/55761

https://developers.oxwall.com/forum/topic/55811

The Forum post is edited by AppXprt Jan 12
Patricia Zorrilla Leader

There will be no new OxWall users, go to oxwall.com and you will see that the demo website has disappeared as well as any references to this forum and links to download OxWall for free or links to the plugins and themes store.

Only the option to buy SkaDate is offered.

If you go to skadate.com, there is a demo of SkaDate and much more information, but we are not mentioned anywhere, or to the plugin store.

It is clear that they want to end OxWall, as well as that they have no interest in developing anything.

Free plugins remain on GitHub https://github.com/oxwall and there is an update from time to time, but you have to download and install them manually. And this is beyond the reach of most users.

I will continue with OxWall because my website is full of paid users.

The plugins I make are for me, I have been putting some in the store but if they are going to reject them with arbitrary criteria it turns out that they break my illusion. I have a new version of https://developers.oxwall.com/store/item/1621 and https://developers.oxwall.com/store/item/1607 with very improved graphics and now link to "magazine" if The three are installed by introducing featured ads in the middle of the magazine articles.

I don't have much hope, https://developers.oxwall.com/user/uitpro is here as a god and I am an annoying fly for making "similar in function" plugins, as if they weren't:

Text Enhancers:

https://developers.oxwall.com/store/item/1443

https://developers.oxwall.com/store/item/343

https://developers.oxwall.com/store/item/1299

https://developers.oxwall.com/store/item/1665

Added to NewsFeed:

https://developers.oxwall.com/store/item/1412

https://developers.oxwall.com/store/item/1331

Search engines:

https://developers.oxwall.com/store/item/554

https://developers.oxwall.com/store/item/1495

https://developers.oxwall.com/store/item/284

https://developers.oxwall.com/store/item/973

https://developers.oxwall.com/store/item/1616

Greetings upon entering:

https://developers.oxwall.com/store/item/1431

https://developers.oxwall.com/store/item/1681

Sorry for the extension of this message, but I suppose that 50% Google will translate it badly and so I hope you get at least a part that is understood.


AppXprt
AppXprt Jan 12
I'm mainly interested in improving Oxwall core security :-)
Bob Bob
Bob Bob Jan 13

I think many of us here run websites. So we can understand how difficult moderating a forum can be. Sometimes topics are toxic and bad for the website, and should be removed. It is often very difficult to decide though, what should be allowed to stay and what should be removed. 


This is especially true when the forum topic is critical of your website or your organization. If users are upset with your website or how you do things, and they begin to complain, there is always a huge temptation to simply remove the complaints. 


But, I think it is important to understand that sometimes complaints are "constructive criticism". Meaning, sometimes people criticize and complain because they care about the website and the organization and the platform. The complaints are not meant to tear down things, but to help improve things. 


I think the recent complaints here are like that - people have been trying to search for ways to improve Oxwall. People are not upset because they hate Oxwall. They are upset because they care about the platform, and want to help and see it succeed. 


I hope the moderators will see that and stop removing such topics.

The Forum post is edited by Bob Bob Jan 13
Patricia Zorrilla Leader

Bob Bob +1.

You are right and I like the way you see these problems.

We are very few here.

At least, to participate in the forum.

Most only write when they have a problem and do not write anything, not even "reviews" in the plugins they use.

If a moderator tells me "don't do this" then I don't do it anymore.

But deleting complete conversation topics from people who just want to help for free, who are the most excited about OxWall, and not telling them anything seems like a way of moderating very unkind.

In the deleted topic we talked about creating patches for the kernel and documenting the functions and classes to help new developers, not as in previous cases in which a new version of OxWall was being cooked, with other names and anagrams, of doubtful legality and with difficult return to OxWall as in this case: https://developers.oxwall.com/forum/topic/66189


David A
David A Feb 9
So I have an oxwall site that has been dormant since 2015/2016.  I was not able to get it back up again. My guess at the time was PHP.  I am considering trying to get it up and running now, but the threads are not very encouraging.  I am not sure if I should invest.  My oxwall installation is on a shared server and I do not have control over the php version.  One of the things that really helped when I initially got started was all the help that was available.  I am not well versed in PHP scripts. Just know enough to install something from control panel or moxscripts etc.  If it is best for me to seek out an alternative.... I can do that. 
Chris_W
Chris_W Feb 10
Which php version is your hosting using? 


You could always make a backup of your site files and database and move to another hosting company. The one I am with allows you to choose which php version you use. from 4.4 to 7.4. https://krystal.uk/


If you can remember, what were you doing to the site when it went down?

Quote from David A So I have an oxwall site that has been dormant since 2015/2016.  I was not able to get it back up again. My guess at the time was PHP.  I am considering trying to get it up and running now, but the threads are not very encouraging.  I am not sure if I should invest.  My oxwall installation is on a shared server and I do not have control over the php version.  One of the things that really helped when I initially got started was all the help that was available.  I am not well versed in PHP scripts. Just know enough to install something from control panel or moxscripts etc.  If it is best for me to seek out an alternative.... I can do that. 

David A
David A Feb 11
My host provider only lets you choose php 7+  I would need to check to see what version I have specifically.  I know I could change hosts, but given the talk here, I am unsure if it is best to invest the time and energy.
Chris_W
Chris_W Feb 12
7.1 is a problem. I can't get my sites to run properly on 7.1.  I have however got them running on 7.2. So you have three options.  1) See if you hosting will provide 7.2. - 2) Switch to a host that gives you a choice. - 3) Start all over again with alternative software.


Personally, I like Oxwall and I think you'd be hard pushed to find anything better without forking out cash. If it was me, I'd stick with Oxwall and change hosting, as if you can't get your hosting to provide 7.2, it is the least disruptive route.

Patricia Zorrilla Leader

You can also ask your current accommodation to activate the option for you to change the PHP version to your liking.

They usually have this disabled by default.

If they answer no, ask them about a hosting company that allows them to do so and you will see that they will soon activate it.

They are like telephone operators, if you do not threaten to leave, they do not serve you well.


David A
David A Yesterday, 11:06AM

So it looks like my hosting company currently allows me to choose between 7.0, 7.1, 7.2, or 7.3.


Chris, when you said you got it running on 7.2 ... was it difficult?


Thank you all for your advice!