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tammy harris
tammy harris Dec 7 '13
what a joke 

this is no where near a 50$ plugin 
it just has ability to make a user online for a time frame
for 50$ it should make the admin so called fake users on one common email addy
and should have a master login for admin to reply messages,mailbox,comments  and stuff 
set days of the week and times for user to be online 
all that and it still would need more to be a 50$ plugin

if i post a job on freelancer or odest to make this simple user online plugin i would not expect to pay more then 120$  
all up lucky to be more then a 6 hour job to make this plugin
Abbey
Abbey Dec 8 '13
I too feel for what it is it is a tad expensive, but it's their plug in and they can charge what they like for it. If it worked differently it would be almost worth it but as it is it's really no use to me
tammy harris
tammy harris Dec 12 '13
good
for 25$ when it can make the admin so called fake users on one common email addy
and  have a master login for admin to reply messages,mailbox,comments  and stuff 
set days of the week and times for user to be online
i will be happy to buy it and review it  
dave Leader
dave Dec 13 '13

The problem with pricing any script or plugin (Oxwall or not) now days is the fact that developement wise we in the USA and elsewhere get undercut by third world country coders.  And no i am not dissing or saying anything bad about third world coders, i am simply saying we are not compairing apples to apples when it comes to producing an item.

 

The bottom line is price,  i bid jobs all the time but rarely get the bid anymore because someone from pakistan can bid the job at 10% of what i can bid it for due to USD conversion rate and the economy.    So in order to even try to compete, many times i have to bid a job at $7-$10 an hour to even have a chance to be in the final running for the bid.   The biggest issue with hiring a third world country coder is the language barrier and trying to get them to understand your specs, and that you are supporting their economy and not ours.  It basically comes down as always to what the consumer values, supporting their own economy, price, value added service after the sale. 


If you have a local client that has not only the funding but also the dedication to the local economy then you might get your $60 to $120 an hour for developement but those prices are very hard to sustain on the general market.


In days to come it will not get any better for either them or us, i know they work very long hours for little money, and now in order to compete we at times must do the same.   It is a very challenging situation.   

The Forum post is edited by dave Dec 13 '13
tammy harris
tammy harris Dec 13 '13
at 50$ sell one a week at 15$ sell 4 a week 

Dave my problem is when i post a job for a simple plugin like all is needed is for it to make a folder that i can rename and put a php file in it that i have or a page i can rename with a sub page for the php file in so i get  mysite.com/folder_page_i_can_remame/my.php that to me should only take some one that knows oxwall 30 minutes to make i get lots bids from 3rd world developers at around the right price 120 and under but they have no idea on oxwall and i am not going to teach them because i dont know how to do it lol, then i get other bids from usa and aussie at 750 because they say will take them a day or 2 to learn oxwall and i am not going to pay them to learn , now theres no way i am going to pay that for such a simple plugin

i have some great ideas for plugins getting them done is a problem but 

have a look at ellg plugins i was tossing up ellg or oxwall and i am starting to wish i went with elgg 
 http://community.elgg.org/plugins  

ellg plugins there way more and way better plugins and most of them are free, lots are branded so developer get links to there sites with pay to remove branding  

tammy harris
tammy harris Dec 13 '13
and i have noticed  developers on elggs that got there ass kicked for shitty plugins are making oxwall plugins and most are shitty as well
dave Leader
dave Dec 13 '13

I was on elgg for awhile a few years ago, and at first its impressive.  But then i had issues with abandoned plugins that i paid for and elgg would not take them over or find another dev to take them over.  1x or 2x is ok, it will happen but not 4 or 5x so i got tired of telling my members we are going to change "again" and "again"  so i said screw elgg.   I also find Oxwalls structure a little more friendly.  And on Oxwall you dont have so many smart ass punks with smart mouths in the forum being rude all the time like elgg.


Yes i do understand there is a huge gap between bids, part of that is with all the open source projects and "how to code" resources available, programming in general has taken a big hit in the market.   Which means less staff and more time mangement which equates to higher rates.   Many americans dont think about quantity, they think about making up the difference right now rather than long term.   Mostly because many have been burned in the ever changing world or software waiting for that long term payoff, when in fact what normaly happens is that before that payoff arrives and they can make profit, things change, new features are the hot topic and they must reinvest to stay current.   It is a vicious circle of chasing your tail.... lol


The three markets that are still going good are, specialty coding, medical coding, financial and accounting coding because those are not fun and people will pay to have someone else do what the hate to do.


And anyone that says that coding is not hard mental work has no clue, it drains you.  

The Forum post is edited by dave Dec 13 '13
tammy harris
tammy harris Dec 13 '13
oxwall is loosing big time to ellg
ellg download to plugin download is good ratio
oxwall download to plugin download is very bad ratio 
oxwall needs to put its foot down on plugin prices and start converting ppl that download the script into customers 
plugins at 1/4 the price will start to sell 10 times more 

would you go with oxwall faced with the list below or go with elgg and get the same for under 1/4 the price 

plugins needed to make oxwall usable 

tammy harris
tammy harris Dec 13 '13
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Abbey
Abbey Dec 14 '13
Nice of you to lower the price Oxwallaccessories.... this isn't something you had to do. I can sympathize with those complaining... obviously they want the plugin but it was beyond their budget.
tammy harris
tammy harris Dec 15 '13
FoxTechs i am not saying plugin should be free but at $1300 for plugins just to make oxwall work is starting to get a bit steep 
dave Leader
dave Dec 15 '13

@Tammy 


" just to make oxwall work "   now tammy i agree with you they are pricey but that comment you know is exagerating dont you think.    Oxwall works just fine with no plugins.  If you want it to do more then you can get plugins.

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