+1oxwall will see it and do nothing
Anyone else agreeing with this, please +1 it so Oxwall staff can see the level of discontent.
But thats been the same answer for over 3 years
And in that time they have found the time to make mobile site and new admin and licance checks and so much more
And we all know if and when they do anything to the store it will be like everthing else only half done and create heaps more problems
Side note its great to see oxwall team treat there paid plugins the same as they do the core lol
Then theres so many idiot that rave on about how good this dev is that completely crap
I think, we ALL should report PayPal the non working scripts we purchased. Only then there is a Chance for a cleaner Oxwall and the bad developers will get a problem with paypal. But I think, there are not much customers which do that. Did anyone get already once a refund from Paypal?
The ones in store do not
They then ask you to pay them to get tje plugin working
I have show oxwall proof of them be different but nothing has ever been done
Webster Moluadi
Let's take it deeper into your both issues.
So, you suggest to make it required for developer to have any free plugin version before he could submit any paid plugins? This is very serious step as it could really destroy the real developer's community. And there should be really serious reasons/arguments before we could move with this, if you are talking from community interests in general, not just yours. Provide us with them if any please.
1. Free Plugins
I have noticed a lot of developers load free plugins onto the store to get or rather gain popularity and use us as website owners as bait for new possible plugin buyers as we download and install their plugins, after they get enough downloads and positive reviews, they start to charge for it and on their next update you find that you've been using a free plugin now you have to pay to get it to work. Now with the 1.8.1 Oxwall we are forced to buy new plugins that we got for free because if we don't put a license the plugin on the next cron automatically disables itself. I find this very unfair and abuse of users or site owners if you offer something for free then after few months you charge say so in the Description so we dont bother.
SOLUTION :
Developers we know you want to benefit from your plugin but if you give a free plugin rather make another plugin which is premium
* ( Plugin 1 - Lite Version is FREE with limited features )
* ( Plugin 2 - Premium Version is Paid with more features)
This way we both win, now we have sites with 10 / 15 free plugin forced to pay for which is unfair.
Also, would you provide us with the list of "with 10 / 15 free plugin forced to pay for which is unfair"? This is a serious signal from different developers, if true.
Just to remind, there weren't any force from 1.8.1 according to license/domain policy. This is something that has been defined from the beginning with OCSL license (check it with Google Cache for sure). Each commercial Oxwall plugin covered with OCSL have to be installed only on one domain.
With 1.8.1 update we just forced license key on plugin installation to reduce OCSL violation and WAREZ plugin distribution. And it just started to work, as it is already working with another software/CMS all over the world :)
And Oxwall team look, believe me. As this is obviously destructive to activate/suspended plugins each time by individual reports, we implemented Review system to allow community take a vote. The team check and approve each item/review before make it public. We also ask everybody share their experience with others by submitting the review. As this is a standard working way how each Store works.
2. Dev's Plugins not Updated & Developers not Attending Issues
We have bought plugins that have more wrong than rights or work as advertised, when you talk to developers via inbox or Forums they don't respond to your messages. I had issues where by i bought plugins and API's of Facebook / Youtube / Twitter / LinkedIn changes and Developers don't update their plugins and we end up with useless plugins that don't work even though we paid for it and they break our website.
SOLUTION :
Oxwall needs to look into these issues i ahve spend close to $350 on Purusothaman some work and some haven't been updated since last year march i tried to mail / inbox with no luck. He's a good developer but now i have 10 plugins of his that haven't been updated and are not working on my site and some API's have changed like Youtube and Twitter. As for YouNet i spend $150 and none of their plugins work and they refuse to fix and if they fix they charge extra for the plugin that never worked.
They claim to have 14 days money back guarantee but when you inbox them they take 15 days to respond and say they will charge to fix and when you ask for refund they say you wont get any refunds as you've passed the 14 days refund window.
---- SOME DEVELOPERS ARE JUST HERE TO MAKE A QUICK CASH AND SELL US PLUGINS THAT ARE NOT 100% WORKING, OXWALL LOOK INTO THAT PLEASE ----
Webster Moluadi, have you reviewed any of the issued items?
No doubt, there are a lot of things that could be changed to improve quality and community engagement. Like make reviews easier, hide bad quality items automatically, etc.
Our main issue with this is that there are only a few customers who is ready to make a reasonable suggestions from community view/side, which work for each sides, not only personal. Unfortunately, the some reporters just ignore standard ways of feedback delivery and try to be noisy by blaming Oxwall software and team in their troubles each time they have a bug. This is intuitive behavior sometimes , but confuse others and should be prevented.
+1As I stated before, this requirement has been defined from the beginning by OCSL license, http://www.oxwall.org/store/oscl . So, what do you mean?
it is zero reaction, because half of plugin developers are oxwall team :D
Oxwall script is free, but they(oxwall) decided one plugin per one domain, it is funny, and you know why.
I reported Paypal the purchase of a non-working script (Profiles View Counts) from the developer "Discount Dollars". Paypal is reviewing the case. After downloading and decompress the zipped file, I found, an empty ini.php. So, I asked myselfe ... how can so many user rate this script positive? I wonder how it can work well for them.
So, you suggest to make it required for developer to have any free plugin version before he could submit any paid plugins? This is very serious step as it could really destroy the real developer's community. And there should be really serious reasons/arguments before we could move with this, if you are talking from community interests in general, not just yours. Provide us with them if any please.I don't think he's saying that at all. I think he is saying that if a developer offers a plugin for free initially and people download it then (for free, with the understanding it is free), if the developer later decides to charge for it, that the paid version should be a second plugin so that people are not forced to buy a license to continue using the free version, since they downloaded it with the understanding it was free.
And Oxwall team look, believe me. As this is obviously destructive to activate/suspended plugins each time by individual reports, we implemented Review system to allow community take a vote. The team check and approve each item/review before make it public. We also ask everybody share their experience with others by submitting the review. As this is a standard working way how each Store works.
So, you suggest to make it required for developer to have any free plugin version before he could submit any paid plugins? This is very serious step as it could really destroy the real developer's community. And there should be really serious reasons/arguments before we could move with this, if you are talking from community interests in general, not just yours. Provide us with them if any please.I don't think he's saying that at all. I think he is saying that if a developer offers a plugin for free initially and people download it then (for free, with the understanding it is free), if the developer later decides to charge for it, that the paid version should be a second plugin so that people are not forced to buy a license to continue using the free version, since they downloaded it with the understanding it was free.
Personally, I haven't run into this issue, but I've only been using Oxwall since October and haven't upgraded 1.8.1 yet because I hired someone to do a custom code modification I don't want to lose.
And Oxwall team look, believe me. As this is obviously destructive to activate/suspended plugins each time by individual reports, we implemented Review system to allow community take a vote. The team check and approve each item/review before make it public. We also ask everybody share their experience with others by submitting the review. As this is a standard working way how each Store works.
Please look at this item: http://www.oxwall.org/store/item/684
All recent reviews and posts indicate it does not work. I made a post about it here as well: http://www.oxwall.org/forum/topic/44019 This plugin is really out of date and causes users to be unable to edit their profiles. The developer can't be reached/does not respond/has vanished. Yet people can still waste their money on it as I did? This is the sort of thing that leaves a bad taste in a customer's mouth.
Or look at this one, not updated since Oxwall 1.7.4 and has a known bug several people have complained about. No response from developer. Still for sale. http://www.oxwall.org/store/item/829
If developers abandon their plugins and stop fixing bugs and making sure they are compatible with the latest updates, in my opinion, these plugins should not cost money anymore or should be offered for a pittance of their original price. If I get a free plugin and it doesn't work, oh well. If I pay for one that doesn't work properly and there seems no hope of it being updated or fixed? That is upsetting and frustrating.
Perhaps there should be a grace period (I don't know how long; two months after a release? maybe until the next release so they can always be one behind?) for developers to fix/update their plugins. If they don't update to make them compatible with the latest versions of Oxwall (or if they do not fix known bugs), then Oxwall should change them to free plugins. I suspect that might motivate some developers to update/fix things and also leave customers less upset if something broken at least didn't cost them any money.
Overall, I am fairly happy with my Oxwall experience so far, but the store could really use some pruning.
4. OxArt Speed Optomizer i have shown him many times it useless plugin and actualy slows oxwall down
he is a team member and is a joke he not update his plugins
and i have seen proof he is charging ppl to make plugins to fix core problems WTF
5. Custom 404 Page dont know dont use it
6. RSS Feed for Site Users is useless plugin that does not do what it say its not rrs feed for site and users its rrs feed for tiny part of your site and users
7. Movie Roll has few issues that have never been addresses
8. YNO Social Stream bunch of scammers that all i got to say
9. YNO Ultimate News bunch of scammers that all i got to say
10. Smileys yet another team plugin that theres no support on and it has huge problems of loading every dam smiley on every page and there so many places it dont work
11. Admin Pal still works fine but could be more features
12. Youtube Auto Poster stoped working hmmm maybe a year ago now
13. Member Awards has few problems and just does not work how it should
14. Twitter Tweets Widget dont know dont use it
15. Member Locations dont know dont use it
16. Photo Watermark took me long time argue the dev to fix it and is still working fine
17. Auto User Purge dont know dont use it
18. Blog view Notify dont know dont use it
19. Extended Event + Map dont know dont use it
20. Custom Pal still works
21. Mutual Friend dont know dont use it
22. Make Profile Picture dont know dont use it
23. Classifieds Ultimate Pro is basic and only half a plugin should not be call Ultimate Pro
24. Birthday Greetz does not have unsubscribe link so is against email sending policy's
25. Auto Blogger still works but because of oxwall url rewrite problem makes it useless
26. Reminder Notifications does not have unsubscribe link so is against email sending policy's
27. Invite Friends by Email does not have unsubscribe link so is against email sending policy's
and uses the sites main email address so it get it in spam list quick
now from memory theres only been 2 or 3 free plugins that after time was changed to paid
one was country flag plugin
Purusothaman Ramanujam is a ok dev and does try
the only thing of his that really pisses me off is his video uploader plugin
that he signed a contract with someone that he can never ever fix the store item