If there are no defenses against hacking, you cannot prevent certain users from acquiring plugins, the store rules are becoming more stringent, hardly anything is sold and SkaDate is giving away copies "to test", I see no point in publishing more plugins.

I hope the situation improves.

Sorry Dave, your intentions will be absolutely fine, but Oxwall and/or Skalfa or Skadate really don't care at all about what others think or their opinion.

These 3 companies are just playing with people and are now probably laughing hard when they read this.

They just do what they want and use good-natured people in our eyes.!

It is bad enough that they never participate in the discussions themselves and leave that to others which they have stretched for their wagon.

The end result will always be that good benevolent developers walk away.!

Pure our opinion.

I am still waiting on a reply, i will keep you posted.

Rob yes your opinion - we dont know for a fact that they dont care, there may be challenges that we cannot see.   Yes it would be nice if they communicated better but we cant allow ourselves to fill in the blanks with opinions as fact.  :) 

yes we do check all themes and plugins this way.  Then they are deleted from the test area.

However (if i am correct) patricia is concerned about them doing so as a different division of the company and not having the courtesy of asking first.   If i am correct, her concern would relate for example if the NFL downloaded a teams playbook just so they can look at it and without stating a reason why they would need it.   In other words she feels that just because  Oxwall falls under the same company umbrella does not give them authoritative rights to grab plugins at will without asking first.  We dont do that with skalfa plugins (unless they are being tested original submission) and they should not do it with ours.

The store code and store policy is under Oxwall not Skalfa or Skadate. So Oxwall rules apply IMO and they need to ask first IMO.  But we will wait for that ruling on the subject.

When you're testing it upon upload, are plugins testing to be working under both Oxwall and Skalfa at the same time or just Oxwall?

Maybe a customer requested to see if that specific plugin worked on Skalfa itself, before purchasing?

They have installed it on a website that is not for testing.

That's the problem. They are not allowed to distribute it to their customers for testing and if they like to buy a license ... or don't buy it.

My plugins are all tested on SkaDate, I have a SkaDate license for testing and a testing site with SkaDate and another with OxWall

This means that the license system has been canceled, if not, it cannot be installed.

This presupposes that they have done it more times.

I was not aware they installed it on a (other than for testing) website which may be the customers website (but we do not know that yet).  But if true yes i agree that cannot stand and must be stopped going forward.   I agree this may mean they have done so before but we have no actual facts on that.   Its wrong of them if this is true and someone should be repremanded for this action. 

I shared the link to this topic in my request for ruling so they will see this. 

The Oxwall store should NEVER be used as a Skalfa or Skadate free buffet of plugins..

Lets not drift too far off topic here, however... :)

According to the new rules, the only callback you can have is during the install process and it can only contain feedback data for site url, site ip, site email, timestamp of installation, and license key and nothing more.

https://developers.oxwall.com/forum/topic/66888

Now if you can develope a plugin that allows oxwall to use ionCube for a specific file then that would be a jump in the correct direction because then we could add a validation file they users  cannot read and IMO i dont think that will violate any open source rules of the company.   But again i would need to ask for a ruling and clarification on that. 

I made a low effort attempt to use ionCube with Oxwall years ago with no success but that does not mean it cant be done.     However that would mean that oxwall would need to validate the validation file since it would be obfuscated.  It would open the door to allowing someone to exploit obfuscated code for malicous purposes.  So Oxwall would need to be able to verify that obfuscated verifcation file somehow either by bit compare or some other process.  The deal is that if a ionCube file should be created and used, there would never be any reason for that cube file to change value unless its just a text version call update.  However the version calls are usually done via htaccess so if its a very simple cube file then it should never change.

Now back on topic,  patricia i am sorry that happend, i will let you know as soon as i hear something...

OK  folks i have the official ruling. 

Skadate must ask before installing a plugin from any developer for free. They are not allowed to use the plugins. No presumed permission to do that is included in Store terms. If the developer grants a free test license, then it's ok.  Otherwise, the site owner or Skadate must purchase a license. They are allowed to buy one license and to use it as test license across many sites, but not at the same time.

I will contact skadate myself and advise them of the policy.  

Patricia, should this happen again please let me know.