- Did not google have something for stop competioners to click on you campaigns? i think i was read that somewhere?

_ what is old fashion due dilligence? when you website is new you need fast get customers if not you website will bee dead very quickly and the only fast way to do this when have a new website is pay per click

and if you want seo you website you need bee very patient and in the graveyard lying dead in the ground when you website is on top on google

and i not very patient i like action and result quickly but i think i stupid waiste my money on adwords campaigns and i agree i feel i scammed to my bones when i use they service i feel there little control what is going on and there is little bit insight what is true and not is true about my click information and how easy for google manupuliate this because we could never check 100% what is real and not real i feel

- What is this best option for get more members to you website when it is totally new? do you have any suggestions that are not way to expensive and not take 2 years to make

- How about facebook ads? are facebook pay per click campaign better then google? i have not yet try facebook ads so im not sure about this at all

Social site rule 101 - if you dont have patience your in the wrong business.  Honestly and i know you dont want to hear it, but its the truth, if you have no patience to do it the right way and take the time to grow it right then your in the wrong business. 

If thats the case then just do like many others do, and find a social site profile vendor where you an buy 10,000 profiles of fake members to import into your db.  They will only take up space on your hard drive and thats it, and then your site will still die like all the others when people find out you were dishonest in using fake profiles. 

There is only one formula for building a successfull social site - hard work, patience, time, word of mouth, and luck.   Unless you have the next FB idea then you will need to join everyone else that is practicing that formula. 

I feel patient is the best option and build up you SEO but i no patient and i did not know anything about SEO when i was buy my oxwall core and oxwall plugins...it is something you learn more and more about all the time and bee better on more and more every day and month 

Never pay for anyone to do the seo for you, if it can be done then you can learn to do it for free, its no secret and the formula has been discussed many many times on the web.  

But in the end it is your business and you have to make that final decision on what is best.

Of course i wish you the very best of luck and success.. :)

No i not want spend money i want save money my budget is 200-300 USD a month right now because my website is still new

I know it is a very low budget... but you need start somewhere

Then spend some of that budget on local TV ads, almost ever successful social site has done TV at some point early in their life.  You dont have to do much or spend alot. Even if you help sponsor a public television show its something. Just find a plan you think gives you the exposure you want. 

Also help sponsor some local events, soccer games, sports outings for schools, you need to reach parents from where their focus is, and that is thru their kids activities. But be sincere, dont just sponsor an event and not care, it will show big time. 

Get people to know who you are and that you offer a good service.  Sales is the same now as it was in the 1800's  people buy from people they know.  

If you have an adult site then obvioulsy you cant sponsor an event for kids.  But you can reach out to parents or adults in other ways in their day to day activitles. 

Then after two years in business you can get with the Better Business Bureau and that will get you some business too. 

The LLC protects you if someone from the social site or public decides to sue you for some reason.  Otherwise if you dont have one, everything you own is on the table for grabs. 

If i open a LLC in USA then i not need pay taxes in Sweden? or do i pay taxes in the country i live in?

I have been thinking 1000 times where i will reg my company in what country? I would like not to have my company based in Sweden because of the high taxes here, i want have my business in a country that i can feel safe.

I heard about tax paradise that some people are put they business there , but is it a great idea to do that?

Some advice here would bee nice even if this is out off this topic 

And i not mind have a LLC but i do not know if it is good i skadate use LLC but i see oxwall was change country many times why did they do that...i was read that before but you did not get any answer on that :)

I dont think you can get a LLC here in the US until you have established a permanent location here or a legal representive of the company, i am not an attorney so i dont know that rule.   Many people here in the social sites do business from their home so they have residence here. 

but yes i think if we talk more LLC i will have to do new topic lol 

I am sure they must have something like an LLC in sweden 

Have you visit they office in USA ? 

sorry maybe we need a new topic LLC

I want have LLC in USA but for that i need live there permanent or do i just need a street adress in USA to tell that i stay there...heheh...i see some company do like that but i just want to know how they doing that in details

check this link out hope it helps you 

www.business-sweden.se/contentassets/77eaa575957e489a88da561cec1f7a47/starting-a-llc.pdf

thank you for the link i will study more about LLC in sweden interesting

yes i see now i need pay taxes in sweden :( i want pay taxes in usa much better lower taxes there but do i really need to live there how some companys manage to reg they company in other countrys but they are not live there just have a street adress with a post box i see it on tv several times for run away if someone will sue them they do like that

i see on tv people try sue companys but they just have a adress and a post box in some countrys . and when they want take them to justice they can not find them on that adress. And this really works i see on tv if you want hide from justice and scare someone sue you. 

i hope u know what i talking about? i think if you want hide you self from justice you do like that and then when they hunt you ...you just start a new company name in a new adress and post box in another company and you can continue forever like this

and they almost everyone stay in a country where the justice not easy can take you corrupted countrys and countrys that not famous coporate with other countrys 

okey now i stop but it is interesting what you can do if you want bee safe from justice...im not sure how they do 100% but it is possible if you know how to do

i not telling skalfa doing like this....i just talk about reg companys and options i have seen on tv many times

but i notice you one time try ask them this in another topic here...and i understand that they could not give you all that information and i not want to know it can bee sensitive to tell things like that in public can understand them

but maybe you was feel you have the right to know that information...i did not understand and i can not find that old topic now

As an advertising idea, I think the most sensible way back is obvious.

Sponsoring popular people who shoot videos on Youtube.

The most effective way to do this is to select people who are not too popular.

Popular names don't talk about you in many videos, but it's more advantageous to choose a medium.

Google and other advertising companies follow a lot of game scenarios.

Dave made very clear statements, and I personally support this. Large budgets should be allocated as ideas to achieve effective advertising and conversion. A competitive environment is created in the study with good software. Big names connected to the same situation will reduce all your income in a short time and you can not go beyond making unnecessary payments.

The market is huge, everything is about luck, but logic comes first.

My personal opinion is to consider alternatives to make an advertising deal. The most accurate plan of generating revenue on your site is to increase your user hit and deal with a company. You can agree with the companies that manage these works for you. Otherwise, while you're chasing snow, all things will be left unfinished. Of course, under the big companies who do not want you will start to suffer.

We are ALL small companys or hobby guys that run oxwall.

So what is the point start use a software if you not a very very RICH guy?

interesting indeed....i guess as a hobby oxwall (skadate) works perfect but as a serious business you need bee the BIG dollar man who was born rich

Ow-ghost

If you go to a bank for a loan, they will ask you for a business plan and business model report. In those reports it should list out exactly who your customer is as a general idea and even very specific sometimes depending on the business.  The bank wants to know that if they are taking a risk on you that you know your business and know your customer.  Knowing your customer allows you to put your marketing dollars to work in the best way possible.  

Example:  If your selling alchohol on a website then you dont want to market people that go to AAA meetings do you, nope.    Its the same with social sites, you need to know what age group your main customer is likely to be, what gender, what are they likely to spend, what are they looking for.   If you want to run a serious business and not just a hobby then it is alot of work getting to know your potential customer, if you dont put the work in and the study time in, then it will never be more than a hobby that makes little to no money. 

Have you ever wondered why dating sites have jingles (songs), its part of market saturation and brand saturation.   If you can get people to sing your jingle going to work or along with the commercial then they will remember you and visit your site or tell a friend because the friend hears them singing the tune. 

If you dont know who your marketing then youll never get their attention. 

Once you can describe your customer then you can build conent to attract them.,