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Ketil Ervik
Ketil Ervik Sep 21 '20

Correction; I run the latest php 7.4 with Oxwall without any problem.


That for example php 5.6 is dead on php.net does not mean that it is away from FastComet and does not work! See the picture.  I do not think FastComet is alone in understanding the issue. My Oxwall installation does not depend on having the latest php version. And it seems that a newer version only provides faster web access for the users so far. No, I do not think Oxwall with plugins need new, more php updates.


Just see how long this one has lived; 4.4 7Aug 2008 12 years, 1 month ago. If, for example, one takes as your starting point the same survival cycle with: 7.1 1Dec 2019 9 months ago, then one can believe that, for example, php 7.4 will die in 2033.


Even if a php stops providing Security Support, it does not mean that you can no longer use php 7.4 with oxwall.


Just see how many years php 4.4 - 5.0 and 5.1 lived. https://www.php.net/eol.php


If you basically take 2 years of Security Support per php version, then you understand from my picture that php 7.4 is not away from the server for at least 12 years from now.


The Forum post is edited by Ketil Ervik Sep 21 '20
dave Leader
dave Sep 21 '20

Yes Ketil but you are assuming that PHP will follow previous habbits and rules of deprication and end of life, that is not something that we should be depending on. They continue to surprise people with their ways of business. 


For example, if they should find a serious fatal flaw in lets say php 7.4, they may just deprecate and EOL everything under the corrected version number, assuming the issue is serious enough.


Also your version has been modified, it is not the same as the 1.8.4 that is downloadable from here at Oxwall.  Im sure you have at least fixed the following items running on php 7.4


1. install error

2. update smarty

3. virtual gifts plugin error

4. Posters Avatar error

5. Fix Core DB Install sql file

6. Update Guzzle


and others i cant think of at the moment....


and then probably some custom stuff as well.. 


If i remember correctly in my testing, Oxwall will not install on anything above 5.6 without some modifications.


Its always possible to fix things and make it work with later php versions.. But again fixing it to work is not the real issue. The real issues are ownership, support, and developers. 


Developers are not going to code for a dying project.  And the ownership issue is a huge deal.  If Emil is going to let it sink into davy jones locker then who says he wont just pull the plug on the whole site.  They could just close down everything but the store so that Skadate has the store still and then where we all be, sunk thats where. 


So i dont think any of us should be waiting with our fingers crossed anymore (myself included), our luck i believe has pretty much run out.  Its just a matter of when..

The Forum post is edited by dave Sep 21 '20
Ketil Ervik
Ketil Ervik Sep 22 '20

"Oxwall will not install on anything above 5.6 without some modifications."? Last installed oxwall on php 7.4 and had no problem!

"update smarty" what is it?

"virtual gifts plugin error" has tested that plugin, but no problem here with me!

"Posters Avatar"? what do you mean? have no problem posting avatar!

"Fix Core DB Install sql file" Have no problem with database so I know about!

"Update Guzzle" what is "Update Guzzle"?

I do not see I have any problem with oxwall here. As many know, I bought many plugins and most can not be used, too many bugs. But a lot is used without any problem. When it comes to themes, there is probably not a single theme that is without a problem, apart from the standard theme then. But I have adapted a lot in the theme I use.


When it comes to this Emil, I think he is a little too self-absorbed, when he can abandon such a project, which actually has great development opportunities. Why does he not sell oxwall as a software that people can buy? In that way, he would have made money on such a further development of oxwall. And if he has no interest in running the project further, he could at least release oxwall free under the gnu public license, so that people were free to further develop it.


I think Emil shows clear ingratitude and disrespect towards all those who for many years have supported the project. Had I had him in front of me I would have said; Pull yourself together. I started and ran Sweden's largest dental health campaign for several years, over; https://www.mittskifte.org/petitions/tanderna-er-ocksa-en-del-av-kroppen-skriv-under-och-dela-vidare My name is still further down the page. "Det här är en namninsamling som startades av Ketil Ervik, men som nu tagits över av Skiftet. Tack till Ketils engagemang över åren." But this year I handed over the campaign to "The Skiftet"


It was this option or put the whole campaign dead! I chose to let the campaign continue to grow, hoping that politicians in the future might give everyone free dental care. In Sweden, there are many hundreds of thousands of people with missing teeth who cannot afford to knock on the dentist's door.
This is one example for Emil to take over and stop being so selfish.


But, if you manage to develop a completely new social network software under completely different conditions, which works better than oxwall! and that you can convert the plugins you use today in oxwall today to such software! Well, then I'm in. As you know, I can translate into Swedish and Norwegian.


But I remember that there were two other projects / copies of oxwall that tried to develop oxwall further, they disappeared.


I believe in constantly evolving projects.

I believe in quality over quantity when it comes to developing plugins and themes. Unfortunately, there were far too many developers / sellers of plugins who set goals and make the most of plugins, instead of finishing plugins in a serious way, and making sure that any bugs disappeared. But as we know today, it did not happen.


When it comes to themes, I have previously mentioned that; Those who develop completed themes for such software should automatically have access to all plugins developed for the same software. That way, developers of themes can face any problems in their themes in relation to the various plugins, if any users contact about the problem! So the collaboration between plugin developers and theme developers is incredibly important.


I think it's okay for developers to sell their plugins, but with this, it should come with a sense of responsibility towards customers. Would be unnecessary to address. But I would argue that this does not have every widespread philosophy on the oxwall store. Therefore, I think that all plugins and themes should go through a test, before they can be put up for sale or for free on Store.


I also think it is possible to charge for a new oxwall similar software, as long as it is sold at a reasonable price. But then of course under a clear license which means that of course only the developers of the software can further develop it. If there are guarantees for the ongoing development of such software, which works satisfactorily at a reasonably acceptable price, then I think anyone who has an interest in running such software would have bought or subscribed it. In this context, I do not believe in volunteer donors. In that case, it would have to be if the software was free.

The Forum post is edited by Ketil Ervik Sep 22 '20
Ken
Ken Sep 22 '20
I tried 7.4 and and it stop sending emails can someone tell me how to fix but as of now I using  7.3 because it is stable for me
Ketil Ervik
Ketil Ervik Sep 22 '20
I have ask FastComet people about the php 7.4 and they sed they have no plan to remove it.
dave Leader
dave Sep 22 '20

Ketil, for those issues see my post on jun 9th on this topic


https://developers.oxwall.com/forum/topic/66811



Ketil Ervik
Ketil Ervik Sep 23 '20

There is no doubt that there are errors, but it is mostly on the mobile side and due to the poor copability with various themes. I have carefully chosen which plugins can run best on mobile and adapted to the theme as far as this is possible. There is probably more I can do, but there will be more in the plugin's css file.


I upgraded to oxwall 1.8.7 (11080) but what this gives me of improvements I am still unsure. Haven't read the various files out there about this upgrade yet! But it seems to work well, even though it's probably a beta!


But now I'm not a software developer, so I may not see the shortcomings that you do! and is probably not so good at being able to understand them!


Me on the tripp vid my dog in september 2020. https://scandibook.com/articles/article/1/hostbild-fran-munkfors-i-360vr-format


As you may understand! so it is not for my part so careful if oxwall disappears for me in 15 years.

The Forum post is edited by Ketil Ervik Sep 23 '20
Ketil Ervik
Ketil Ervik Sep 23 '20
Well, that upgrade only created new and serious issues, so I ran my backup back to 1.8.4.
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